We won't listen to psychics: Rayney sister : thewest.com.au

It never ceases to amaze me how ungrateful and unthoughtful people can respond to the help of the public. After reading this article in the Western Australian I get even more depressed.

Tuesday, 30 June 2009 | 02:08 PM
We won't listen to psychics: Rayney sister
30th June 2009, 7:15 WST

The sister of murdered woman Corryn Rayney has criticised a psychic who claims to have information on her death, saying she was trying to profit from the family’s grief.

>>>That is quite an accusation! You might aswell accuse the journalists writing about it in the news, they get paid for it, and the police they get paid by the tax-payers! Oh...and do not forget the television crews and radio stations who let the public know that the police need information and ask the public for their assistance! <<<

Sharon Coutinho said yesterday her family had not been contacted by psychic Debbie Malone and had no interest in speaking to her about her alleged insight into the murder of Mrs Rayney.

>>>Of course she has not been contacted, Debbie specifically states in her book that she does not contact the family members, she is merely trying to assist as any good citizen would /should do!<<<

Malone has claimed to have been in contact with Mrs Rayney since her death and that she had assisted police investigating the case. WA Police have not denied her claims.

>>>Police will not confirm or deny anything and from their point of view...it is the wise thing to do.<<<

Mrs Coutinho said her family had been contacted by several psychics since Mrs Rayney’s death but had declined their offers of help.

>>>And ofcourse that is their good right!<<<

She said she had read the extract from Malone’s new book which addressed the Rayney case but it had offered no new information.

>>>Ofcourse it offers no new information! As Debbie said...the police are still investigating and therefore she will not put any new information in her book. Again a wise thing to do as any new information has to be investigated first before it can be made public!<<<

Mrs Coutinho was upset that Malone had used her sister’s murder as a means of publicising her book.

>>>Although I am sorry for the families loss. I do not share that opinion! In fact I find it repelling that a person can say such a thing while all other media (that is sold too) has been asking the publics help in solving this case!

“Everything she has said has been public knowledge for the last two years,” Mrs Coutinho said.

>>>No responsible, clear thinking person would publish new details without letting the police do their job first!<<<

“We are not bothering with psychics. Unless someone comes up with something that hasn’t been made public, it’s really not worth listening to.”

>>>The 'good' psychics do not approach families of victims they approach the police (if they have enough courage to tell the police what they know!)The family should indeed not be bothered with psychics...as it is a police job to determine fact from fiction.<<<

The father of Claremont serial killer victim Sarah Spiers also warned victims’ families not to listen to psychics, saying yesterday they fed off misery and drove him to a mental breakdown in 1996.

>>>It is truly sad to hear that!I know of a couple in the US who asked for the public's help in search of their missing daughter and they are very appreciative of every help they can get. Their daughter has not been found in five years and yet they are grateful for all the public support from the police, volunteers who go on searches, the psychics who work together with private investigators and the volunteers who do anything to get the publics attention to look out for her and provide information.They understand that ANY PUBLICITY could trigger SOMEONE to remember SOMETHING that might lead to their daughter!<<<

Don Spiers said up to 400 psychics and clairvoyants had contacted him since Sarah disappeared on January 27, 1996. They had offered false information but he had been so desperate to find his daughter that he had listened to them and often had followed their instructions.
The false hope they created had led him to have a breakdown late in 1996, when he had found himself sitting in an armchair at his home ripping chunks of hair from his scalp.

>>>I can only imagine his pain, but I do not think he can imagine the pain and frustration of those who seriously try to help and feel just as helpless. That includes all people who never showed their faces and never asked for anything....As for false hope; the police have not come up with anything either and they have tried their best too! I can understand that he'd need a scape-goat to direct all his anger and frustration at after all these years and that can't be the police, it can't be the person who was actually responsible for his daughter going missing...so it is directed at the persons who promised something they could not deliver...who have now become psychics in general. <<<

Mr Spiers said psychics like Malone had never proved to be effective and just deepened the anguish experienced by the families of victims.

>>>From my humble experience I know that is not true! As I am one of those 'Psychics like Malone' who have been effective in some cases! It doesn't mean I know everything...but I have occasionaly been able to provide useful leads! (OK and NOW accuse me that I am promoting myself!Only because I tell my story! Oh...sure I am now making a 'profit' of other people's misfortune, because their misfortune has become part of my nightmares and the victims pain has become part of my daily life...but hey...I just have to 'live with that'!)<<<

“They are like a cancer doctor who tells a cancer victim they can cure them, when they know they really can’t, just to get the victim’s money,” he said.

>>>As far as I know Debbie Malone has NEVER asked for money in Police cases!So comparing her and others to all those 'fake seers' who did; is absolutely unfair, inconsiderate and damaging! And I believe a public apology is in order here!! <<<

Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said yesterday police had a policy of not seeking the help of psychics in their investigations.
“But that’s not to say that we don’t listen to people who phone up with information,” he said.

>>>Most police forces around the world have that policy. It is to provide a guard against the 'fruitcakes and fake seers' who are definately out there! Police look at facts...that is their job! And the psychic is nothing but a possible witness of a crime!It is as good as 'hear-say' but it can provide leads to facts that otherwise would not have been investigated!<<<

He refused to comment on Malone’s claims.
Malone was not available for comment yesterday.

>>>I can imagine why! It is very painful and demoralizing to hear that family of the deceased are not the least grateful that a member of the public is trying to help. Or that the case has been brought to the publics attention again, so what happened will not be forgotten and that there might be a chance on justice!<<<

Mrs Rayney disappeared on August 7 after leaving a bootscooting class in Bentley at 9pm. Her body was found nine days later after police followed a trail of mechanical fluid from her abandoned car in Subiaco to a bush grave in Kings Park.

>>>And again...anyone who knows something...should contact the Police!The Police are trained to 'filter' any crap that has been derived from reading news reports from possibly good information that needs to be investigated! <<<

PERTH
RONAN O’CONNELL

>>>Thank you! Ronan O'Connell...you are doing a great job! Thank you for letting the public know ....and I do not mind you getting paid for the job you do! It is MUCH APPRECIATED!

I know from experience that it takes a lot of courage from Psychics/Mediums/Clairvoyants to step up to the police and say: "I may have some information on a case you are working on.!"

I praise Debbie for her courage to tell her story...that is not just about Corrynn Rayney, but about Debbie's life story and all other cases in which she provided information!

Being a Psychic Medium is not easy...you do not really have a choice. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you decide NOT to tell anyone...you will feel guilty for the rest of your life...

and if you DO decide to tell the police and let the public know that this is a possible way of gathering information on crimes in general you are being painted as 'trying to profit from the family’s grief'. While merely letting the public know part of your life. So a Psychic Medium is not supposed to tell the public of her perceived information on someone else.

But catagorically being publically accused of making a profit from other peoples misfortune because you are a psychic/medium is pure discrimination.

Also by making a public statement like that as a family member, you can now expect no more help from people who seriously have received any futher 'psychic' information. Like Debbie said: It might prove to be a complicated case...

My personal impression in general? Some people simply fear psychics as they might help reveal an inconvenient truth, therefore it would be an excellent plan to ridicule them in public so no one will listen to them.

(I'm lucky...the very few friends I have...have nothing to hide! Hehehe!)

Those who are really interested in solving crimes, will definately listen to any possible useful lead and INVESTIGATE. They will not dismiss any information before hand on the way it has been perceived as any detective will know that no witness statement is a 100% correct; as it is always based on the person's perception.

A Real Life Case - Arsonist Groningen

Real Life Case

I rarely discuss any of my Psi or RV related ‘work’ especially when it comes to criminal cases. In order to let the Police and the Justice departments do their work, I will keep the information confidential. Yet there are many people who would actually like to know what it is I ‘got’ in the way of information as an example of this tool, which is understandable. But it would not be professional if I would risk a Police operation by leaking any information to the press that may or may not be correct!

As a psychic or a Remote Viewer, you do not give anything more than an indication of where to look for evidence. It is not up to the Remote Viewer or the Psychic to produce evidence! Producing evidence is up to the Police or Private Detectives.

In order to share the following story with you I have asked the Police Department involved if they had any objections in me publishing my story. They did not see any problems in the publication of my story, which will finally allow me to show the public what Psi or Remote Viewing can do!

Since August 2007 there was an arsonist at work in the small village of ‘t Zandt in Groningen – the Netherlands. For months the police were trying to catch this arsonist who was setting peoples, barns, sheds and abandoned houses on fire. In the village with no more than 900 inhabitants people started to get really frightened.

In November 2007 the Police requested the assistance of several specialized teams, military forces with night vision equipment and they called upon the public for any tips that could lead to the arrest of this arsonist. Insurance companies as well as the department for justice had set a reward for the ‘golden tip’ that could lead to the arrest of the person responsible. A close friend suggested I ‘look into’ this case and assisted the Police since they requested the help of the public.

At that time I lived in the Netherlands and I was in contact with a Remote Viewer in Australia who is now my husband. I decided to task him with the description of the nearest significant feature to the perpetrators residence. The police knew that this person had to live in the area or know and frequent it regularly.
I myself was very much ‘frontloaded’, since I knew I was looking for an arsonist in that area. This can be tricky since all information you do have, from the media or hear say, may play with your imagination instead of your original Psi signal. Fortunately I had never been to that part of the country before and that was helpful!

I told my friend I actually believed to have some contact with this target and we drove to the village of ‘t Zandt in Groningen. I realized how ‘ridiculous’ it must sound to the average down-to-earth detective and did not quite know how to start and explain how I obtained this information.

My friend and I were standing outside the improvised emergency police station that was set up in the community hall, when we noticed two men leave. I told my friend:” I need to speak to THEM!” But I did not take any action not being sure and I followed the procedure. We called in the station and I told the officers there I may have some information that could help them with the case. The officer offered us some coffee and said he needed to call his colleagues. He went outside with his mobile. The other police officer asked where he went, and I said he is going to call back the two detectives that just left. My details were taken by a kind female officer who was a bit shocked when I told her that I got this information from Psi and Remote Viewing. At that moment the detectives returned and then all the lights in the police station went out and only the officer with the laptop computer was still able to work, but so perplexed that it ‘spooked’ her. The detectives escorted us to the police station in Delfzijl and on our way to the station I took pictures of the ‘significant feature’ that was sketched by the Remote Viewer on the side of a road called Molenweg. It was later confirmed that the perpetrator did indeed live at the Molenweg.

I told the detective I had a possible name or initials of the suspect and a complete profile including a composition sketch of the possible perpetrator. I had a general job description and a possible indication of a significant feature near the house of the arsonist sketched by a Remote Viewer.

I also had perceived a logo of a Neptune fork that I could not place. I told the detective I tried to look for the logo on Google but with no luck. The detective enlightened me and said:”You passed that logo on your way to the police station. It indicates a specific tourist route in this region.”
I wanted to hand the detective my one sheet report, but he wanted to hear my story first. I told him about Remote Viewing and my usually spontaneous Psi events that have assisted police before.

I said I perceived the name Johann Sebastian Bach and I said I believed the arsonists name was Johan or like Johann and that the last name started with a B. The detective’s eyes lit up when I mentioned that, but he did not confirm or deny anything at that stage. I said that I believed the arsonist was likely to be between 20 and 35 years of age and he probably lives in a small dark messy room with magazines all over the place. From that room you can actually hear a train going by. This person also seemed to like music. I told him I perceived there was a white or light colored vannette involved, but I was not sure whether he was actually driving it. It felt like it had to do with delivery of some goods that appeared to me like white packaging with powered dry material that appeared to be like fibres of some kind. The Remote Viewer picked up on a bicycle next to the house. The arsonist turned out to be a newspaper delivery boy.
I gave the detective my improvised composite sketch and the descriptions.

Here was my session data:

Wednesday 21 November 2007

Target: Fire, locations, description arsonist, ’t Zandt Groningen Netherlands
Name starts with J.
Male age 20 – 35
Works near water..harbour industrial environment.
Movement energy.
Fire-water-burn music? Johan Sebastian Bach
Link to big fire in harbor...trigger? Eemshaven
Works there? Worked there? Frustration? Loosing job?
Transport

Home?
Room dark...Sounds like train/railroad nearby
A mess...magazines

Friday 23 November 2007

Target: Fire, locations, description arcenist, ‘t Zandt Groningen Netherlands

A cross...like religion...linked to church.
Transport light color vannette?
Delivery...cargo..transport...to Germany? German language
Face of a young man...(composite sketch impression..hair could be different style) music again...
Sign ‘Neptune fork” symbol / logo
White plastic...package...contains dry.. dusty.. material..cotton..fibers?

My friend asked if I could try a Geoscan and he explained to the detective that I had been able to precognitive locate events on a map before. But at that stage I said that would be as good as guessing, because I did not actually feel I could do that at that stage and that I might give it a try later.

I later tried the Geoscan and sent some possible coordinates to the police but I wasn’t too confident about them and I also tried to locate the things I perceived in the earlier sessions by using Google and I sent my findings to the detective. Unfortunately those findings were actually off track, since they were not directly perceived by Psi, but an interpretation of the things perceived by me.

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The arsonist was arrested and his name was indeed Johnny B.
A newspaper delivery boy from the village 't Zandt who lived with his parents at the Molenweg in the village.
At the time I provided the information the police already had him under surveillance as a possible suspect. The detective could not confirm or deny towards me at that time if the information I had given was correct.

Source: Screen shot from television interview

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Drugs or Magnetic Fields?

I have watched a very good lecture given by Dr. Michael Persinger and I was impressed! Both Chemicals and Magnetic Fields seem to have a similar effect on the brain.



This is absolutely a very interesting topic!

Remote Viewing & Cognitive Science

For those who are not familiar with Remote Viewing and the research of cognitive science. This video explains some of it very clearly.

New Year's resolution

Well here is my New Year's Resolution...

Looking back on last year it started out positive with new ideas and plans coming to fruition. Unfortunately the last three months have been not very constructive and my world was shocked by several events that I did not see coming. (LOL : and I am supposed to be psychic!)

My main focus for next year will be on development, creativity, challenges, innovations and all other things that are constructive and inspiring.

I will be attending classes in Security, Investigations, Occupational Health and Safety, Law and Forensics in January and February 2009. Next to those classes I will look into Neuroscience and Quantum Physics not on a professional level but merely as a general interest.

I hope to be able to add at least 4 official certificates to my list within the first three months of next year and two licenses.

Next to those developments I will be enhancing my creative skills in dimensional design, sketching, photography and writing.

At the end of January or the beginning of February I will start working for my new employer. Which is another new challenge in the New Year.

I will shift my focus from the many negative aspects I have encountered in the last three months to the positive ones that will come on my path very soon.

Christmas in Blue

Have a magical Christmas!

Professional or Wannabe

How do you know whether a person is a good Remote Viewer or a good Psychic? Results of course! How well they have scored on average and how many times they have actually provided good information. Ok, that seems pretty clear, but what do they actually do with this information?

Let’s say a usually pretty accurate psychic has been asked to look into a criminal case. The psychic describes the possible perpetrator and is able to make a composite sketch. The psychic even picks up on a possible name.
What does that Psychic do?

1. Runs to the media with all this information and tell them that this person is the perpetrator? In order to prove to the public that they can actually help in criminal cases. OR
2. Go to the police with that information and give them the results of their psychic session and quietly leave, letting the police do their job. Not getting any recognition in the media but letting the police do their job and getting the person responsible arrested.

I can tell you for sure that option number 1 will definitely NOT be appreciated by the police. Since it is not helpful during an investigation to point out any possible suspects! The psychic forgets that what they have perceived is an indication (a strong indication at times) but not a fact until there is proof in the form of evidence. The psychic forgets that the suspect may just run if they have been pointed out in public, which is not helpful to the police at all! Or the public accusation can cause a rage or riot against this person, who may or may not be guilty! The psychic may create a couple of minutes of fame but they will never be asked to work on any police cases, their name will be blacklisted. And that is even worse if the psychic turns out to be wrong! They will create a bad name for the entire community by not thinking about the consequences of their actions. In worse case they could be arrested for obstruction of justice or sued for slander!

Option number 2 may not seem the most spectacular one and it may not create credentials instantly, but in the long run the people you work with will appreciate this approach much more than the wild accusations and media attention in option number 1. After all is said and done and the case is closed and there is no way your information can cause any harm by publishing, you can ask if it is ok to let the public know. Only the police can tell you whether it can’t interfere with the course of justice anymore. And yes, you do need to have patience!

That is the difference between a ‘professional’ approach and the ‘wild media circus’ approach.

We would all like acknowledgement for our contributions in certain cases and we would all like people saying well done...thanks for the help! But the most important thing is that you actually contributed to making this world a little bit safer and let other people do their job!